men_in_full ([info]men_in_full) wrote,
@ 2008-05-09 12:41:00
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Middle men - men and their torsos
We're all familiar with the infamous "headless fatty" torsos; it shouldn't be necessary to dignify them with examples. There are those where an unsuspecting person in a crowd gets snapped by a photographer. The image is cropped to remove the face and other identifying marks, leaving it looking dehumanized. Often the images emphasize some degrading or gross association with fat (like ill-fitting clothes, or "junk food," or a bizarre photographic angle), and are used to illustrate yet another "Burgeoning Obesity Epidemic" story.

Many fat people find these photo illustrations obnoxious, and for good reason. But the torso shot in and of itself doesn't have to be degrading, especially if the man is deliberately shot that way, and the treatment is respectful.


This one below is one of my favorites for its whimsy. It served as a spark for my NaNoWriMo novel last year. The image of a fat man stripping the flesh off of a fish, leaving only the bones, stayed with me to the point that I had to use him as a character.



Fabi83 has posted some self-portrait torso shots which appeal to me for several reasons. In "Opulent Fat Whatever" (below), the from-beneath camera angle makes it look like you are staring up at a cascade of flesh about to descend upon you like an avalanche. The golden-orange lighting gives the skin a warm, sensual quality.




A more typical side shot is softened by the same warm light. I like the casualness, and that the stretch marks aren't 'shopped out. It's perhaps part of the human condition that "desirable" means "stylized." In the dominant version of style, stretch marks are treated as "imperfections" to be removed. Personally, I prefer the naturalistic bits of reality that tell us this is a body, not polished marble.




"The Black One" (below) at first looks like a typical "headless fatty" shot, but it isn't. The fabric is crisp yet not stiff, with an inviting texture. The shirt fits; there's no strain on the buttons - which you will rarely see in one of the offensive media shots. Even though we don't see the man's face, his chest and body have a relaxed and comfortable appeal.




Fabi83's shots raise a question for me - are they supposed to be erotic, and if so, how is that eroticism conveyed? A deliberately erotic image is often one where the person or people follow a standard "look." We see the indicators that visually indicate "sexiness" (hair, costume, body shape, any special articles or props.)

These shots to me suggest not just the "look" of a fat man's torso (which is pretty sexy), but also suggest the *feel,* the physical, sensual and tactile experience of the body. Much of what we perceive as erotic comes in "through the eye," especially through those visual cues defined as "sexy" (which is why there are so few erotic images of fat men aimed at women - fat men are not supposed to be sexy to women, according to the "arbiters of taste.") These sensual photographs of fat men, to me, also come in "through the skin."




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[info]inlaterdays
2008-05-09 06:06 pm UTC (link)
I love the belly curve in the first one - so perfectly round. And the last one reminds me a bit of my ex. I used to love watching his shirt buttons moved as he breathed.

...I sound so pervy D:

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[info]men_in_full
2008-05-09 08:57 pm UTC (link)
Not pervy at all. I watch Mr. B. from across the room all the time...

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[info]exsplusohs
2008-05-09 06:28 pm UTC (link)
These are beautiful contrasts to the "OMG FAT PEOPLE, THEY IS EVERYWHERE, OBESITY AHHHH!!!!" photos and clips they put on the news.

Thank you for sharing them! I wouldn't have known they existed otherwise!

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[info]exsplusohs
2008-05-09 07:03 pm UTC (link)
ALSO! I just came across this and it made me think of your journal: http://fatgrrl.com/?p=708

Personally, I think Fat David is pretty foxy!

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[info]blue_leaf
2008-05-09 07:13 pm UTC (link)
LMAO! I was thinking of those horrid newscast about the latest diet fads too!
They always put one on if it is a slow news day. I keep wondering when they will catch me on camera.

BTW "OMG FAT PEOPLE, THEY IS EVERYWHERE, OBESITY AHHHH!!!!" should be an icon :0)

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[info]exsplusohs
2008-05-09 07:22 pm UTC (link)
Seriously, every time I see those clips, I always think "That could be me" followed swiftly by "Don't those people need to sign a waiver or something saying that it's okay for their poor fat torsos to be maligned by the asshole media?" Or something similar...

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[info]men_in_full
2008-05-09 09:02 pm UTC (link)
Seriously, every time I see those clips, I always think "That could be me" followed swiftly by "Don't those people need to sign a waiver or something saying that it's okay for their poor fat torsos to be maligned by the asshole media?"

I am not a photographer, but if someone is out in public, I think they're fair game to be photographed, as long as they're not identfiable (i.e. their face is cropped out.) Nor do they probably have to be paid, either. (That's a good deal - mock fat people for free!) Also, I seriously doubt many fat people would sign waivers anyway.

However, I'm not sure what they'd do if someone recognized themselves in a shot. I bet they'd take it down at once.

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[info]men_in_full
2008-05-09 09:53 pm UTC (link)
You know, I said that badly. I said, "I am not a photographer, but if someone is out in public, I think they're fair game to be photographed, as long as they're not identfiable ..."

What I should have said was, "I am not a photographer, but if someone is out in public, it's generally considered 'legal' to photograph them and use their picture, as long as they're not identifiable..."

Sorry for the sputtering there.

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[info]radishthegreat
2008-05-09 10:54 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, it's legal to use a shot of someone's middle without their permission to illustrate "ooh, gross people!" but legality doesn't mean it's not a shitty thing to do. And "identifiable" is questionable; just because the editor can't pick me out doesn't mean people who know me and my unique apparel/accessories won't be able to. There was a situation not long ago where the mother of a prostitute recognized her on one of those "infotainment" shows even though she was blurry and "disguised."

Back to these pictures, the man in the button-up shirt reminds me of someone I used to be involved with, who was always nicely dressed, which always made me want to open the buttons and get at the good stuff. :)

Edited at 2008-05-09 10:54 pm UTC

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[info]men_in_full
2008-05-11 12:10 am UTC (link)
I don't like it either ... :<

But unbuttoning buttons - that's always fun!

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[info]men_in_full
2008-05-09 09:03 pm UTC (link)
I keep wondering when they will catch me on camera.

Seriously, dude, if you see yourself, demand royalties! ; )

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[info]men_in_full
2008-05-09 08:59 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I will post more torsos as I find them; glad you liked!

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[info]desdiamonds
2008-05-09 07:42 pm UTC (link)
I love the second one! It is AMAZING! The lighting, the angle, everything. So good!

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[info]men_in_full
2008-05-09 09:05 pm UTC (link)
It's a really unique shot, very lovely.

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[info]wooferstl
2008-05-09 09:22 pm UTC (link)
i have to admit that i have done some "cleaning up" of some of my shots. Not usually things like stretch marks (though i used to) but if i have a sore or something unslightly like that. Sometimes i like the way i look and sometimes i don't. i think we're all that way. But i'm not disappointed that i'm fat. In some (most?) of the old pictures that i've posted in the past month, i see my old skinny(ish) self and wonder who is that guy? Not me.

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[info]men_in_full
2008-05-09 09:50 pm UTC (link)
I will admit - I'm not an expert in retouching by a LONG shot, and it may be that Fabi83 did do some touching up. Photographer friends have told me that it's almost always done.

Thinking about it more, the thing about stretches, ripples in the skin, dimples etc. is that they all contribute to making the body look like a kind of "landscape," which in a way it is. There are all kinds of features to a landscape: rivers, creeks, sinkholes, depressions, and they all give it texture and character.

I agree, everybody goes through those moments where they look at themselves and go DO NOT WANT. And yes, sometimes looking at older pictures can seem like looking into "another life." One thing I hope I can do here is showcase the sometimes extraordinary beauty, as well as emotional depth, of photos of fat men.

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[info]wooferstl
2008-05-09 10:05 pm UTC (link)
And you do that so well. Thank you.

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[info]mercurior
2008-05-13 08:12 am UTC (link)
theres a new story in heat magazine, its been reported via a newspaper

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=566019&in_page_id=1773

Funnyman James Corden lets it all hang out in a Beckham-style pose for Heat magazine

"I feel alive! I've never felt more sexual in my life," he said.

**of course the articke pokes fun at the idea

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[info]men_in_full
2008-05-14 02:30 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for sending that on ... he is so cute!

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