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06 March 2009 @ 07:36 am
Fat man naked (the Naked People project)  
From Andrew Sullivan's Daily Dish blog comes a mention of this German photographer's "Naked People" project. The slide show's images are heavily skewed towards thinner, younger women and men, but there was this man (click pic below for the NSFW "without-clothes" version):



I find the photograph cold and not terribly erotic. Maybe that's the photographer's point, to demystify the body, to turn it from "nude" to "naked?" If so, it's not a philosophy with which I agree; I prefer to see a naked man's image always connected to something, be it another person, or an emotion, or a place of significance. Or give us some sign of what he's thinking. There's enough clinical detachment when fat bodies are concerned; I prefer warmth and emotional connection, such as shown in just about anything by bitterlawngnome; for instance this NSFW set.

However, like Samuel Johnson's dancing dog (while "it is not done well, you are surprised to find that it is done at all"), at least a fat man was included in the mix. Also, while the image is cold, it also lacks the hysterical emotionalism so often conveyed in images of fat bodies. His fat body isn't singled out for special speculation or inspection, but rather shown as a body like any other.

 
 
jennie_jayjennie_jay on March 6th, 2009 02:53 pm (UTC)
There's a lovely Swedish actor called Rolf Lassgård, who's always been on the plump side, I've followed his career for a long time now. There aren't many good photos of him around, unfortunately, the most I've seen are on this German (!!) fan-site: http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.rolflassgard-fan-site.de/images/rolf5.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.rolflassgard-fan-site.de/news.html&usg=__IgXYxwQ3xJmt2oVEtwMaxiQAFHk=&h=150&w=100&sz=8&hl=en&start=35&um=1&tbnid=KKP1v84758_16M:&tbnh=96&tbnw=64&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drolf%2Blassg%25C3%25A5rd%2Bhairspray%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D21%26um%3D1
men_in_full: nackenmen_in_full on March 8th, 2009 01:26 am (UTC)
I really like the picture of him with the elephant statue.
diseased_insidediseased_inside on March 6th, 2009 04:22 pm (UTC)
I saw this site yesterday and really enjoyed it. I think demystifying and taking a constant sexual context out of naked people is a wonderful and needed thing for bodies of all shapes.

I like seeing naked people just naked. It doesn't feel entirely clinical or cold to me. I really like the set you linked but it's an entirely different thing to my eye. Kind of apples to oranges.
men_in_full: nackenmen_in_full on March 8th, 2009 01:38 am (UTC)
It is an interesting project - especially when you click and the clothes faaaade sloooowwwlly instead of just disappearing.

I think what made me think of them as cold was put better by oakmouse below; that the people were emptied of "context." Maybe it's context which adds to sexual interest? It does for me, at least.
oakmouseoakmouse on March 6th, 2009 10:20 pm (UTC)
I think a lot of the sense of coldness comes from the stark white cyc wall behind him. it gives no shadows, no sense of proportion, no location. I suspect that's what the photographer intended --- to strip the naked people of context --- but it does feel a bit clinical.
men_in_full: nackenmen_in_full on March 8th, 2009 01:40 am (UTC)
You put it perfectly - the lack of context was a big part of it for me (although clothes are, I guess, a form of context as well.) Also, they reminded me of medical pictures (like William Sheldon's "somatotype" shots, or pictures in genetics or medical textbooks), which have a bit of a negative yet eerily fascinating aura for me. But I like looking at fat men's bodies in many settings, though.
oakmouseoakmouse on March 8th, 2009 05:20 am (UTC)
Glad to help!

I dislike cyc walls precisely because they remove context and give a feeling of unreality --- not to mention the lack of apparent floor beneath the model's feet. Yick.
devi42 on March 7th, 2009 02:31 pm (UTC)
I loved this. I went through the first ten or fifteen and found it absolutely fascinating.

In my opinion, it's not supposed to be at all erotic or inviting. It's cold, analytical, sterile. A work based on clinical observation. How much of our personality is defined by our clothes and what defines us after you take those clothes away? What secrets and surprises lay underneath the clothes? For instance, I was completely unprepared for the gentleman with the pierced nipples and shaved pubic hair - it made me wonder what my coworker were hiding (and yes, I quickly slammed shut that mental door).
men_in_full: nackenmen_in_full on March 8th, 2009 01:35 am (UTC)
LOL, I am always wondering what people look like undressed, and not only because I am "perving" on them. It's just curiosity.

I will confess - I didn't "undress" anyone except the first three or four people, and now that I go back to the original photo spread, I can't seem to click on anyone but the first four people (???)
sugar_for_sugarsugar_for_sugar on March 7th, 2009 05:59 pm (UTC)
They are almost all women. Also, what few men are there are mostly a lot older than the women.

I was annoyed.

But I'm glad there was one fat fellow present! No fat women, of course, but I guess you can't have everything.
men_in_full: nackenmen_in_full on March 8th, 2009 01:27 am (UTC)
Yeah, they got it half right ... :D
Dr. Ben Mack: Prominent User of the Internetepi_lj on March 7th, 2009 07:21 pm (UTC)
I found it kind of odd that they were not all entirely nude (some of the women had boots that covered most of their legs, and one of the women was wearing garters and suspenders), but they all had shaven genitalia.

I did think that the guy you depicted in your post was plenty cute, even though I agree about the clinical detachment.
men_in_full: nackenmen_in_full on March 8th, 2009 01:31 am (UTC)
I think #3 ("Harald") had some pubic hair, but yeah, there was a big emphasis on hairlessness. In his original link, Andrew Sullivan wondered if that was a German thing? Although a lot of Americans these days seem to shave, from what I hear.

He was cute ... he just seemed to be shivering in a chilly virtual space, and that was a little sad for me. But I liked that he was included - and not just because I like to look at a wide variety of fat guys (LOL)
devi42 on March 8th, 2009 01:23 pm (UTC)
I was wondering about the hairlessness as well.
andre37 on March 9th, 2009 02:25 pm (UTC)
hi all
i am the one on the picture :)
its nice to read all that here
if you have questions, feel free to ask

greeting from germany

Andre

nackich@googlemail.com
men_in_full: nackenmen_in_full on March 9th, 2009 09:29 pm (UTC)
Re: hi all
Hi, Andre, and welcome!
staceybrown281staceybrown281 on January 15th, 2010 05:56 am (UTC)
Cute Fat Guy
Whoa! this post captured my attention since I am also a fat woman. I am very shy to be naked especially in public. I remember when my plus size formal wear worn out during our prom night in College here in Arizona. I was so embarrassed. Since then, I am very afraid to exposed my flawless body to the public. Kind'a traumatic for me.
(Anonymous) on April 26th, 2010 10:30 am (UTC)
Re: Cute Fat Guy
This project did rather intrigued me, how did the subjects get selected? Were they paid or were they all volunteers?